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Gracie Fields and Ally Pally - do we have an RS?[edit]

We say in the lead that Gracie Fields is claimed to have called it Ally Pally. In my (yes, valueless) personal opinion it seems unlikely that she actually invented the phrase, though she may have popularized it; it seems such an obvious thing to call it that I'd be surprised if no-one before Fields had thought of it, so that she was able to unleash the idea newly-formed on an unsuspecting world. So, I guess my question boils down, really to "Is this an RS for the assertion?" Whaddya think? DBaK (talk) 17:58, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Very unlikely, in my "view". Hardly a reliable source on its own. I would not support it. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 19:32, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
...38 months later ... I have removed the claim, DBaK.Cheers! ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones The Welsh Buzzard ‑ ‑ 10:42, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Gareth Griffith-Jones tsk, such haste! When will you young people learn not to rush into things? Honestly. I was going to convene a nice little Steering Group and make sandwiches and everything and you've just dashed in and done it! :) DBaK (talk) 22:36, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ha, ha! ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones The Welsh Buzzard ‑ ‑ 09:19, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Sounds like hyperbole rather than descriptive"?[edit]

How can remarkable be described as "Sounds like hyperbole rather than descriptive"?
I replaced historic, which is ambivalent, with remarkable; the dates within the Lead section explain the actual history.
If you don't understand, look it up in a dictionary ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones The Welsh Buzzard ‑ ‑ 11:07, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My reasoning is that 'remarkable' suggests someone is remarking on its significance, which suggests subjectivity, whilst 'historic' is merely factual. However to avoid this becoming a battle of opinions or temperaments I have removed either and hope that is an amicable solution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheWhiteJamEdits (talkcontribs) 08:31, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Your reasoning is not sound on both accounts. ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones The Welsh Buzzard ‑ ‑ 09:17, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion 'historic' and 'remarkable' should both be avoided. Saying it's 'historic' is saying it's of historical importance, which is subjective. The same with 'remarkable', which means it's worthy of note or remark. While both these things may well be true, the opening descriptions should nevertheless be merely descriptive and factual (e.g. 'The Eiffel Tower is a wrought iron lattice tower', or 'The Great Pyramid of Giza is the oldest and largest of the three pyramids in the Giza pyramid complex'). Dubmill (talk) 09:34, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Good point, thanks Dubmill — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheWhiteJamEdits (talkcontribs) 09:40, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My eye was caught by mention of Jones in this article. I have a v. soft spot for his work, having worked for many years at 16 Carlton House Terrace, which he redesigned (inside) in a wonderfully OTT style. I am not certain why he is listed in the info-box as one of the architects of the Ally Pally. The only mention of him in the text just says that he conceived the idea of a people's palace on the site, and there is no indication in the article that he contributed any designs to the actual building. Could someone who knows the historical facts clarify this, perhaps? Tim riley talk 10:18, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Series 60 of Later… with Jools Holland[edit]

Series 60 of Later… with Jools Holland is being recorded in the Alexandra Palace Theatre. First show on Saturday 14th May 2022 at 21:55 on BBC2. (talk) 11:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]


The name of the palace being after the name of the park is implied within the article, but isn't clear. It would be good to add this information somewhere so that people know that it inherits it's name from Edward VII's wife. (talk) 22:46, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]